Yuval Noah Harari on Donald Trump’s Core Delusion | The Ezra Klein Show
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Ezra Klein and Yuval Noah Harari explore the clash between liberal cooperation and the power-based narratives of modern populism. They discuss how shared stories drive human history and analyze how social media and AI are currently fracturing social bonds.
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Ezra Klein and Yuval Noah Harari explore the clash between liberal cooperation and the power-based narratives of modern populism. They discuss how shared stories drive human history and analyze how social media and AI are currently fracturing social bonds.
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Yuval Noah Harari really has one major topic. That topic is cooperation. Cooperation as the way we go from being this creature that absolutely cannot beat a bear or a lion in a fight to being able to create and command the societies we have now. I think right now there's something interestingly challenging about Harari's work... one of the messages of those movements is that this emphasis on cooperation... is a lie. And that to forget that is to forget the engine of our progress. So I've been wanting to talk to Harari about this... It's about liberalism, it's about Israel, it's about AI and what it's going to do to us.
- 01The Subject's North Star
Identify the primary theme or 'topic' that defines the expert or subject's body of work.
OriginalYuval Noah Harari really has one major topic. That topic is cooperation.
- 02The Transformation Promise
Explain why this concept is the 'engine' that makes things work in their field.
OriginalCooperation as the way we go from being this creature that absolutely cannot beat a bear or a lion in a fight to being able to create and command the societies we have now.
- 03The Cynical Challenge
Introduce a modern trend or counter-argument that claims the core concept is actually a lie or outdated.
OriginalI think right now there's something interestingly challenging about Harari's work... one of the messages of those movements is that this emphasis on cooperation... is a lie.
- 04The Stakes of Forgetting
Warn the audience of the consequences of believing the counter-narrative.
OriginalAnd that to forget that is to forget the engine of our progress.
- 05The Roadmap to Resolution
Transition to the interview by listing specific, high-stakes sub-topics that will be explored.
OriginalSo I've been wanting to talk to Harari about this... It's about liberalism, it's about Israel, it's about AI and what it's going to do to us.